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posted by [personal profile] ptc24 at 10:20pm on 01/06/2010
Which do you prefer for yourself?

Poll #3294 What do you like to be called?
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 21


For those who identify entirely or primarily as male

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"a boy" - I don't like "a man"
0 (0.0%)

I prefer "a boy", but will accept "a man"
1 (8.3%)

either, no preference
0 (0.0%)

I prefer "a man", but will accept "a boy"
6 (50.0%)

"a man" - I don't like "a boy"
3 (25.0%)

Grr, argh, don't call me a boy, that really annoys me!
0 (0.0%)

Grr, argh, don't call any grown man a boy, that really annoys me!
2 (16.7%)

For those who identify entirely or primarily as female

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"a girl" - I don't like "a woman"
0 (0.0%)

I prefer "a girl", but will accept "a woman"
3 (27.3%)

either, no preference
0 (0.0%)

I prefer "a woman", but will accept "a girl"
1 (9.1%)

"a woman" - I don't like "a girl"
1 (9.1%)

Grr, atgh, don't call me a girl, that really annoys me!
2 (18.2%)

Grr, argh, don't call any grown woman a girl, that really annoys me!
4 (36.4%)


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posted by [personal profile] simont at 09:57pm on 01/06/2010
Tickybox!

I grew out of 'boy' a decade or so ago, but would still hesitate to call myself 'man'; not so much due to a genuine doubt that I'm 'properly' grown up, more just because for most of my life 'man' has been a word for people in the generation above me.

Fortunately, of course, modern English is equipped with in-between words such as 'bloke' which don't carry a particular connotation of either maturity or the lack thereof. But I think I wouldn't even use those spontaneously; in contexts where any of these words might be appropriate I tend to use 'person' (e.g. I'm the kind of person who ...).

I suppose if gender was directly relevant to whatever point I was making, I'd go for 'man' before 'boy', and if somebody else called me 'man' I'd feel only a slight incongruity easily suppressed whereas 'boy' would give me worse cognitive dissonance. So I can't quite justify refusing to vote. But none the less, tickybox.
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posted by [personal profile] emperor at 10:06pm on 01/06/2010
Pretty much +1 to this.
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posted by [personal profile] pseudomonas at 10:55pm on 01/06/2010
Yes, this, more or less exactly.
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posted by [personal profile] damerell at 01:13pm on 02/06/2010
I think I'm another vote for "bloke". I don't mind "boy" as a term of affection from inamorates.
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posted by [personal profile] ptc24 at 08:48am on 03/06/2010
I was going to get on to words like "bloke" in a later poll.
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posted by [personal profile] simont at 08:51am on 03/06/2010
It's probably quite difficult to get them all. 'Bloke', 'guy' and 'chap' come to mind easily, but I bet there are no end of things like 'geezer' to go along with them...
 
posted by [personal profile] mobbsy at 10:54pm on 01/06/2010
Depends whether it's singular or plural. I don't mind at all being one of a group of "boys" in contexts like "what do the boys think?".

I don't think I'd mind a third-party reference to myself; e.g. somebody asking "who was that boy you were with?". Referring to me directly as a "boy" however would be a bit odd, but whether or not it was offensive would depend on intent, it could be demeaning or it could just be jokey.

I can't think of any time where being referred to as a man would trouble me.
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posted by [personal profile] simont at 08:39am on 02/06/2010
"who was that boy you were with?"

Hmm, that's an interesting one, because (assuming I've inferred the context correctly) it faintly implies a connection with "boyfriend", one context in which the syllable "boy" is largely uncontroversial to use even of grown men.
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posted by [personal profile] ptc24 at 12:04pm on 02/06/2010
Incidentally, you may want to s/syllable/morpheme. According to the link: a morpheme is is the smallest linguistic unit that has semantic meaning. So the syllable "boy", I think, is a morpheme in "boyfriend" but not in "flamboyant".
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posted by [personal profile] simont at 12:17pm on 02/06/2010
I nearly said that, but at the last minute couldn't quite remember if it was quite the right word or not...
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posted by [personal profile] lnr at 09:10am on 02/06/2010
Interestingly I find it almost *worse* when people, even other women, refer to a bunch of women as girls. It can come off either mildly patronising, a bit childish, or just too girly-feminine for me.

Now I've got that awful tune from the Boots adverts in my head. Argh.
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posted by [personal profile] tim at 12:30am on 02/06/2010
In the US, at least, calling a man a "boy" can have some pretty strong racial connotations.

Calling a woman a "girl" doesn't, but is generally insulting, especially since it tends to get applied to women such that a man the same age would never be called a "boy" (except with the abovementioned racist connotations).
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posted by [personal profile] lnr at 09:05am on 02/06/2010
I wouldn't use "boy" of grown men, so much prefer not to use "girl" of grown women, and don't like other people calling me girl. I'd prefer it if other people didn't call grown women girls either. Except possibly when referring to your own children.

Technically I will accept people referring to me as girl though: I don't call people out for it. Notably I haven't told Mike not to call me "My girl" in affection. So, I could have ticked pretty much all of the bottom half of your second question :)
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posted by [personal profile] naath at 09:40am on 02/06/2010
I despise being referred to as a 'girl' either directly or indirectly, singularly or as a group. I am not a child any more, and the connotations of "girl" of an adult woman seem to largely be "likes 'girly' things, by which we mean things that are stupid/pointless/silly or possibly simple 'feminine'". I'll put up with it from my parents, and possibly other people who knew me from infancy (especially those who don't really know *me* but mostly know-of-me as my parents' daughter) because those people have known me as a girl for more time than they have known me as a woman.

I would *prefer* "person" in most contexts.
 
posted by [identity profile] hilarityallen.livejournal.com at 09:58am on 02/06/2010
I'd prefer 'person' to all the gendered options. (I'll make an exception when I'm in a room with mostly men, and someone tried to identify me as the short blonde woman, where woman would be an important identifier.)

I quite dislike calling nominally grown-up people 'boys' and 'girls'. I may still do it - it's quite a common thing to do in our society, so I've probably picked up the habit, though I'm trying to train myself out of it. While I may not feel properly grown-up, I *am* an adult, and I feel that adults are not 'boys and girls'.
 
posted by [identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.com at 10:09am on 02/06/2010
I feel like I ought to prefer "woman", because of the symmetry with "man" being preferable to "boy", but the fact is I do prefer "girl", and think of myself as a girl (although I'm not going to make a fuss about it in either direction), and tend to think of other female people my own age as girls.

But "woman" sounds less odd to me than it did, say, five years ago, so I imagine as I get older it'll gradually shift over and become the more natural term in my mind.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 06:30pm on 02/06/2010
I have a female body and a non-gendered brain. I prefer to stay as far as possible from 'girl' and 'woman' as they both come with social baggage which doesn't fit me.
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posted by [personal profile] ceb at 06:31pm on 02/06/2010
Sorry, that was me

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